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T O P I C R E V I E WFruityLlamaI was reading a book on line- The Natal Promise. There was a section about the divorce aspects. Now, in my chart I have:-Uranus in 7th-Uranus Squaring Chart ruler, the moon at 4* SEPARATING-Uranus squaring Sun at 8* SEPARATING-The ruler of my 7th is Saturn and is in the 10th house. He makes a 9* trine APPLYING to PlutoThese were mentioned in the list of divorce aspects, among others but I don't have the others. My question is, is divorce less likely when the aspects are seperating? The other thing is that Uranus also rules my 8th house, so it might not be divorce but something much worse :'( strawberryaaI have heard that Venus in double bodied signs might signify divorce. Like Venus in Gemini for example FruityLlamaOh yes, that too, although my Venus is in Aries. But then so do a lot of celebrities who have divorced like Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor, Jennifer Aniston etcaquagembaby quote:Originally posted by FruityLlama:Oh yes, that too, although my Venus is in Aries. But then so do a lot of celebrities who have divorced like Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor, Jennifer Aniston etcYou have to take into consideration that the longevity of relationships among celebrities is...really low haha they get married extremely quickly then will divorce. Of course there are exceptions but they do live a completely different life from us. So I wouldn't worry about it if I we're you Isa^^ very true. Celebrities also get married for different reasons, like PR. Take Kim Kardashian for example, she has Uranus in the 7th and we all know she does things for fame and money, not necessarily loveFruityLlamaYes thats true! (I thought I replied to you actually aquagembaby, but it seems not to gave posted, oh well!) And Isa, i didnt know Kim Kardashian had uranus in 7th! But yes, i suppose of you marry for the wrong reasons youre bound to divorce at some point. Phew. I have neptune there too so its a bit scary reading the interpretations to be honest. I know the natal can be overcome but yknow, you cant help who you fall for either I guess.Kannon McAfeeThis isn't really the question to ask, as most people's Ascendants aren't really accurate enough to even be certain of what houses their planets fall in. Why view your life from a negative angle?Why not ask How to make relationships work if you have Uranian tendencies in relationship (or Uranus in 7th)?Divorce doesn't happen simply because of a single planetary placement either. Heavy fixity by sign can overcome certain Uranian factors. Uranus in the 7th can indicate a number of potentials depending on other factors in the chart and how you use your free will and intelligence. It can mean possibly having a footloose or restless partner, but that does not of itself mean you will divorce them. Think about how this so easily forms a slippery slope of justifying negative anticipation. Each time a relationship starts to go pear-shaped, you go "Oh, well, Uranus is in my 7th. It must be promised to me that I will divorce." It too easily becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most likely, folks whose charts genuinely have Uranus in the 7th with other factors that agree will opt for freer relationships or will attract such people. It can be a lesson in "make not a bond of love."Here is a good intelligent blog post to read on this topic of "natal promise":http://starrynightastrology.com/tag/natal-promise/And no, Kim Kardashian does not have Uranus in her 7th. Its nowhere close to the 7th house.Kim Kardashian chart at ADBWe create our future if we aren't back on our heels anticipating it as if it were happening 'to us.' ------------------The Declinations GuyRising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓RandallThanks!FruityLlamaAgain, i swear I replied to this but oh wellThank you Kannon, that was really helpful! ^_^ Kannon McAfeeThanks. I was hoping I wasn't coming off as scolding about how you asked your question.I'm not a fan of the 'natal promise' notion. I think its mostly marketing cheese. But I didn't want that to color my previous response. The only "promises" related to astrology in my opinion are: you will be born with an imprint of astrological energies; these may amount to a bit more challenges or ease than others, but you can utilize all of them to your benefit; your unique birth chart gives you a unique timeline of many windows of opportunity for all things in life.As it comes to love/relationships ...That is promised to everyone -- there is a mate out there for everyone who wants one. That does not need to be seen in the astrological chart, because that is built into life. There is nothing more powerful than the desire to love and be loved. So no one needs guarantees related to that happening for you -- create it! Get to know yourself, be honest with yourself, and grow into the kind of partner you'd like to have. Many astrologers are still interpreting things as if they can tell that the birth chart assigns you particular outcomes. No! That outcomes are yours, determined by what you do with the basic energies of your astrological birth imprint. There is no factor in the 7th house, for example, that prevents a person from successful marriage. Some placements or combinations there may present challenges, but knowing these and how to deal with them is the key. ------------------The Declinations GuyRising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓FruityLlamaKannon, No, not scolding at all, don't worry! That's very true, I often forget that because of the way some astrological sites or books describe various things, but like you say it is probably marketing cheese, but it can come across as damning sometimes!Thanks again Kannon, that's reassured me no end SagicalI wonder about that. If I made up a solar chart and put the sun on the ascendent then I would have Uranus conj the 7rh house.I have had five or six significant relationships. I was common law five times. Engaged four times. Never married. quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:This isn't really the question to ask, as most people's Ascendants aren't really accurate enough to even be certain of what houses their planets fall in. Why view your life from a negative angle?Why not ask [b]How to make relationships work if you have Uranian tendencies in relationship (or Uranus in 7th)?Divorce doesn't happen simply because of a single planetary placement either. Heavy fixity by sign can overcome certain Uranian factors. Uranus in the 7th can indicate a number of potentials depending on other factors in the chart and how you use your free will and intelligence. It can mean possibly having a footloose or restless partner, but that does not of itself mean you will divorce them. Think about how this so easily forms a slippery slope of justifying negative anticipation. Each time a relationship starts to go pear-shaped, you go "Oh, well, Uranus is in my 7th. It must be promised to me that I will divorce." It too easily becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most likely, folks whose charts genuinely have Uranus in the 7th with other factors that agree will opt for freer relationships or will attract such people. It can be a lesson in "make not a bond of love."Here is a good intelligent blog post to read on this topic of "natal promise":http://starrynightastrology.com/tag/natal-promise/And no, Kim Kardashian does not have Uranus in her 7th. Its nowhere close to the 7th house.Kim Kardashian chart at ADBWe create our future if we aren't back on our heels anticipating it as if it were happening 'to us.' [/B]EmGemKannon, yours words truly inspire me. I agree wholeheartedly with your views. It was after reading what you wrote about my moon/Mars/saturn conjunction that I decided not to take it as a mountain I would never be able to climb, but rather see it as s work in progress. I have become much more aware of its intricacies and I refuse to let anyone tell me I will have forever have problems relating because of it. Speaking of Uranus, what do you think about composite Uranus opposite Venus in a love relationship/marriage? Have you seen it work long term?
-Uranus in 7th-Uranus Squaring Chart ruler, the moon at 4* SEPARATING-Uranus squaring Sun at 8* SEPARATING-The ruler of my 7th is Saturn and is in the 10th house. He makes a 9* trine APPLYING to Pluto
These were mentioned in the list of divorce aspects, among others but I don't have the others. My question is, is divorce less likely when the aspects are seperating?
The other thing is that Uranus also rules my 8th house, so it might not be divorce but something much worse :'(
But then so do a lot of celebrities who have divorced like Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor, Jennifer Aniston etc
quote:Originally posted by FruityLlama:Oh yes, that too, although my Venus is in Aries. But then so do a lot of celebrities who have divorced like Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor, Jennifer Aniston etc
You have to take into consideration that the longevity of relationships among celebrities is...really low haha they get married extremely quickly then will divorce. Of course there are exceptions but they do live a completely different life from us. So I wouldn't worry about it if I we're you
And Isa, i didnt know Kim Kardashian had uranus in 7th! But yes, i suppose of you marry for the wrong reasons youre bound to divorce at some point.
Phew. I have neptune there too so its a bit scary reading the interpretations to be honest. I know the natal can be overcome but yknow, you cant help who you fall for either I guess.
Why view your life from a negative angle?
Why not ask How to make relationships work if you have Uranian tendencies in relationship (or Uranus in 7th)?
Divorce doesn't happen simply because of a single planetary placement either. Heavy fixity by sign can overcome certain Uranian factors.
Uranus in the 7th can indicate a number of potentials depending on other factors in the chart and how you use your free will and intelligence. It can mean possibly having a footloose or restless partner, but that does not of itself mean you will divorce them. Think about how this so easily forms a slippery slope of justifying negative anticipation. Each time a relationship starts to go pear-shaped, you go "Oh, well, Uranus is in my 7th. It must be promised to me that I will divorce." It too easily becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Most likely, folks whose charts genuinely have Uranus in the 7th with other factors that agree will opt for freer relationships or will attract such people. It can be a lesson in "make not a bond of love."
Here is a good intelligent blog post to read on this topic of "natal promise":http://starrynightastrology.com/tag/natal-promise/
And no, Kim Kardashian does not have Uranus in her 7th. Its nowhere close to the 7th house.Kim Kardashian chart at ADB
We create our future if we aren't back on our heels anticipating it as if it were happening 'to us.'
------------------The Declinations GuyRising Sign Descriptions | Expert rectification♈ ♉ ♊ ♋ ♌ ♍ ♎ ♏ ♐ ♑ ♒ ♓
Thank you Kannon, that was really helpful! ^_^
I'm not a fan of the 'natal promise' notion. I think its mostly marketing cheese. But I didn't want that to color my previous response.
The only "promises" related to astrology in my opinion are: you will be born with an imprint of astrological energies; these may amount to a bit more challenges or ease than others, but you can utilize all of them to your benefit; your unique birth chart gives you a unique timeline of many windows of opportunity for all things in life.
As it comes to love/relationships ...
That is promised to everyone -- there is a mate out there for everyone who wants one. That does not need to be seen in the astrological chart, because that is built into life.
There is nothing more powerful than the desire to love and be loved. So no one needs guarantees related to that happening for you -- create it! Get to know yourself, be honest with yourself, and grow into the kind of partner you'd like to have.
Many astrologers are still interpreting things as if they can tell that the birth chart assigns you particular outcomes. No! That outcomes are yours, determined by what you do with the basic energies of your astrological birth imprint. There is no factor in the 7th house, for example, that prevents a person from successful marriage. Some placements or combinations there may present challenges, but knowing these and how to deal with them is the key.
No, not scolding at all, don't worry!
That's very true, I often forget that because of the way some astrological sites or books describe various things, but like you say it is probably marketing cheese, but it can come across as damning sometimes!
Thanks again Kannon, that's reassured me no end
I have had five or six significant relationships. I was common law five times. Engaged four times. Never married.
quote:Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:This isn't really the question to ask, as most people's Ascendants aren't really accurate enough to even be certain of what houses their planets fall in. Why view your life from a negative angle?Why not ask [b]How to make relationships work if you have Uranian tendencies in relationship (or Uranus in 7th)?Divorce doesn't happen simply because of a single planetary placement either. Heavy fixity by sign can overcome certain Uranian factors. Uranus in the 7th can indicate a number of potentials depending on other factors in the chart and how you use your free will and intelligence. It can mean possibly having a footloose or restless partner, but that does not of itself mean you will divorce them. Think about how this so easily forms a slippery slope of justifying negative anticipation. Each time a relationship starts to go pear-shaped, you go "Oh, well, Uranus is in my 7th. It must be promised to me that I will divorce." It too easily becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Most likely, folks whose charts genuinely have Uranus in the 7th with other factors that agree will opt for freer relationships or will attract such people. It can be a lesson in "make not a bond of love."Here is a good intelligent blog post to read on this topic of "natal promise":http://starrynightastrology.com/tag/natal-promise/And no, Kim Kardashian does not have Uranus in her 7th. Its nowhere close to the 7th house.Kim Kardashian chart at ADBWe create our future if we aren't back on our heels anticipating it as if it were happening 'to us.' [/B]
Why not ask [b]How to make relationships work if you have Uranian tendencies in relationship (or Uranus in 7th)?
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Speaking of Uranus, what do you think about composite Uranus opposite Venus in a love relationship/marriage? Have you seen it work long term?
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